FLA/WSH

[Florida Panthers GM]

To:
LW Julian Lutz SNP 76 (19) 1.5M RFA 2025
RW/LW Andrei Svechnikov SNP 87 (23) - 7.5M RFA 2027
LD Josh Morrissey OFD 87 (28) 6.25M UFA 2028

To:
C Cole Perfetti PLY 80 (21) - 1.25M RFA 2025
RW/C Martin Necas PLY 87 (24) - 6.25M RFA 2026
RD Ryan Pulock TWD 87 (29) - 7M UFA 2029

Hoping all players find success on new teams

[Washington Capitals GM]

Washington accepts

[Detroit Red Wings GM]

I'm rejecting this.

Washington needs to explain why they would even do this? They are losing on every player.

WSH is not making playoffs and this trade will look even worse for them after the season.

Lutz is better than Perfetti -> Lutz will be 79+ OA and Perfetti will be 80 OA after the season. Perfetti has been in AHL for most of the season.

Svechnikov is better than Necas -> Necas deserves a downgrade for this season. Svechnikov is playing average for his overall

Morrissey is better than Pulock. -> Pulock is on pace for a downgrade. Morrissey is on pace for a big upgrade.

[Detroit Red Wings GM]

Also, for any new GMs, if your team is doing bad and there's a good chance you are not making playoffs and you are making trades for future years, you are allowed to ask what your players or the players you are trading are on pace for upgrade/downgrade wise.

EDIT: Usually guys 24 and younger dont get downgrades

[Florida Panthers GM]

Jul 22, 2021 21:39:27 GMT -8 Detroit Red Wings GM said:

Also, for any new GMs, if your team is doing bad and there's a good chance you are not making playoffs and you are making trades for future years, you are allowed to ask what your players or the players you are trading are on pace for upgrade/downgrade wise.

EDIT: Usually guys 24 and younger dont get downgrades

Didn't even know WSH was new, and it's unfair to suggest that he's incompetent even if he is. I've looked at his deals so far, and they've all been solid.

but also... come on man, this is ridiculous. The season isn't even half over yet, it's pretty brutal to say whether or not a player is going to be downgraded, or a team is going to miss the playoffs. 

This is a fair trade through and through. There is a slight difference in age, and a slight difference in overall. Let us manage our teams. Both our teams are not in a playoff spot, and this is a move that could potentially put us there. 

[Detroit Red Wings GM]

Jul 22, 2021 21:43:19 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

Jul 22, 2021 21:39:27 GMT -8 Detroit Red Wings GM said:

Also, for any new GMs, if your team is doing bad and there's a good chance you are not making playoffs and you are making trades for future years, you are allowed to ask what your players or the players you are trading are on pace for upgrade/downgrade wise.

EDIT: Usually guys 24 and younger dont get downgrades

Didn't even know WSH was new... 

but also... come on man, this is ridiculous. The season isn't even half over yet, it's pretty brutal to say whether or not a player is going to be downgraded, or a team is going to miss the playoffs. 

This is a fair trade through and through. There is a slight difference in age, and a slight difference in overall. Let us manage our teams. Both our teams are not in a playoff spot, and this is a move that could potentially put us there. 

Morrissey + Lutz make the trade lopsided. Morrissey has almost guaranteed himself an upgrade. He's simming unreal for stats you can't see, takeaways and blocks. You can thank WPG for playing Perfetti in the AHL all season. 

[Detroit Red Wings GM]

This is what the trade is going to look like after the season

LW Julian Lutz SNP 79+ (20) 1.5M RFA 2025 -> may get an extra +1 or +2 for being a teenager
RW/LW Andrei Svechnikov SNP 87 (24) - 7.5M RFA 2027
LD Josh Morrissey OFD 90 (29) 6.25M UFA 2028


C Cole Perfetti PLY 80 (22) - 1.25M RFA 2025
RW/C Martin Necas PLY 87 (25) - 6.25M RFA 2026
RD Ryan Pulock TWD 86 (30) - 7M UFA 2029

[Florida Panthers GM]

Jul 22, 2021 21:46:13 GMT -8 Detroit Red Wings GM said:

Jul 22, 2021 21:43:19 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

Didn't even know WSH was new... 

but also... come on man, this is ridiculous. The season isn't even half over yet, it's pretty brutal to say whether or not a player is going to be downgraded, or a team is going to miss the playoffs. 

This is a fair trade through and through. There is a slight difference in age, and a slight difference in overall. Let us manage our teams. Both our teams are not in a playoff spot, and this is a move that could potentially put us there. 

Morrissey + Lutz make the trade lopsided. Morrissey has almost guaranteed himself an upgrade. He's simming unreal for stats you can't see, takeaways and blocks. You can thank WPG for playing Perfetti in the AHL all season. 

It's frustrating that if you want a trade rejected, you make sure that it is. We are halfway through the season man, absolutely anything can happen. Who's to say that Pulock doesn't dominate with WSH and Morrissey struggles with me? Perfetti still will be getting in a ton of games, and Lutz isn't even in. 

You're basing your trades off conjecture of what you think will/won't happen going into the offseason. Why do we have overalls if this is what you're doing? 

You're saying this trade isn't fair because you think some guys will be downgraded, or one team may miss the playoffs. 

I was the worst team in the league at the end of December in hockleague, made one trade, and won the cup. Things change dude. 

[Detroit Red Wings GM]

Morrissey is already guaranteed an upgrade, Lutz will get an upgrade no matter what.

I dont think there is enough games left for Perfetti to qualify for an upgrade. If he were to do really good, he may get a +1.

Pulock is simming not good and doesn't really have any chance of an upgrade, only to stop a downgrade.

If this were to go thru, in 2 trades WSH will have traded it's top players for lesser players. That should never happen to a new GM. None of the players WSH would be receiving have any real chance for an upgrade.

[Detroit Red Wings GM]

Jul 22, 2021 21:50:27 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

Jul 22, 2021 21:46:13 GMT -8 Detroit Red Wings GM said:

Morrissey + Lutz make the trade lopsided. Morrissey has almost guaranteed himself an upgrade. He's simming unreal for stats you can't see, takeaways and blocks. You can thank WPG for playing Perfetti in the AHL all season. 

It's frustrating that if you want a trade rejected, you make sure that it is. We are halfway through the season man, absolutely anything can happen. Who's to say that Pulock doesn't dominate with WSH and Morrissey struggles with me? Perfetti still will be getting in a ton of games, and Lutz isn't even in. 

You're basing your trades off conjecture of what you think will/won't happen going into the offseason. Why do we have overalls if this is what you're doing? 

You're saying this trade isn't fair because you think some guys will be downgraded, or one team may miss the playoffs. 

I was the worst team in the league at the end of December in hockleague, made one trade, and won the cup. Things change dude. 

Only on new GM trades, I keep telling everyone that for the first season or so, I'll always be cautious of newer GMs trading their better players.

[Arizona Coyotes GM]

Jul 22, 2021 21:43:19 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

If this is two vet guys who know what they’re doing, sure. But you have to know by now that every trade made with a new GM is going to have a heavy microscope on it. 

I doubt a lot of the more experienced GMs in this league would’ve accepted this trade if offered from Washington’s standpoint because they understand how the upgrade system works - but with new guys who haven’t even experienced an offseason yet it’s easier to just get blinded by overall numbers and ignore how well a player is actually performing. 

You’re basically dumping your underperforming high overall players for Morrisey, who has been one of the best dmen in the league so far this season - while also swapping Necas and Svechnikov, avoiding the likely downgrade on Necas and pushing it onto the new guy. 

You’re constantly complaining about upgrades/downgrades in your trades, and it’s because you’ve been around a while in these leagues and are well aware guys like Necas are going to get downgraded. So you try to pull a fast one on the more inexperienced GMs and use their high overall number to coax them into giving up something of value, when in reality the player you’re giving up is preforming 2-3 overall points below what they should be.

It’s getting really annoying - especially for Wings - when we constantly have new GMs coming in and immediately getting fleeced for their best players, this shit really needs to stop. 

[Florida Panthers GM]

Jul 22, 2021 22:51:29 GMT -8 Arizona Coyotes GM said:

Jul 22, 2021 21:43:19 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

If this is two vet guys who know what they’re doing, sure. But you have to know by now that every trade made with a new GM is going to have a heavy microscope on it. 

I doubt a lot of the more experienced GMs in this league would’ve accepted this trade if offered from Washington’s standpoint because they understand how the upgrade system works - but with new guys who haven’t even experienced an offseason yet it’s easier to just get blinded by overall numbers and ignore how well a player is actually performing. 

You’re basically dumping your underperforming high overall players for Morrisey, who has been one of the best dmen in the league so far this season - while also swapping Necas and Svechnikov, avoiding the likely downgrade on Necas and pushing it onto the new guy. 

You’re constantly complaining about upgrades/downgrades in your trades, and it’s because you’ve been around a while in these leagues and are well aware guys like Necas are going to get downgraded. So you try to pull a fast one on the more inexperienced GMs and use their high overall number to coax them into giving up something of value, when in reality the player you’re giving up is preforming 2-3 overall points below what they should be.

It’s getting really annoying - especially for Wings - when we constantly have new GMs coming in and immediately getting fleeced for their best players, this shit really needs to stop. 

I literally saw that WSH GM was the only one on discord (my first time on), and I asked him if he wanted to deal, and he said, "which league". The only thing I remembered of him was that he stole Svechnikov from Canes, when I had been trying to forever. From his response, and that Canes trade, I had no fucking clue he was new, so don't instantly go to attack mode plz, thx. 

As a side note, just don't get new GMs then. Make a "non-GM block" and do the trades yourself. 

[Florida Panthers GM]

Further sidenote,

educate these new guys then. Tell them what's up, rather than blaming the guys who have been here awhile for doing what these sites are made to do

[Arizona Coyotes GM]

Jul 22, 2021 23:09:06 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

Further sidenote,

educate these new guys then. Tell them what's up, rather than blaming the guys who have been here awhile for doing what these sites are made to do

Greg DMs every single new guy and tells them if they need help then to ask

I don’t understand why they don’t, I really wish they would. But on that same notion we should also have some level of trust in the older guys to offer for them fair trades and help them along through negotiations and tell them why certain trades are fair and why others not.

[Arizona Coyotes GM]

Jul 22, 2021 23:05:13 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

Jul 22, 2021 22:51:29 GMT -8 Arizona Coyotes GM said:

If this is two vet guys who know what they’re doing, sure. But you have to know by now that every trade made with a new GM is going to have a heavy microscope on it. 

I doubt a lot of the more experienced GMs in this league would’ve accepted this trade if offered from Washington’s standpoint because they understand how the upgrade system works - but with new guys who haven’t even experienced an offseason yet it’s easier to just get blinded by overall numbers and ignore how well a player is actually performing. 

You’re basically dumping your underperforming high overall players for Morrisey, who has been one of the best dmen in the league so far this season - while also swapping Necas and Svechnikov, avoiding the likely downgrade on Necas and pushing it onto the new guy. 

You’re constantly complaining about upgrades/downgrades in your trades, and it’s because you’ve been around a while in these leagues and are well aware guys like Necas are going to get downgraded. So you try to pull a fast one on the more inexperienced GMs and use their high overall number to coax them into giving up something of value, when in reality the player you’re giving up is preforming 2-3 overall points below what they should be.

It’s getting really annoying - especially for Wings - when we constantly have new GMs coming in and immediately getting fleeced for their best players, this shit really needs to stop. 

I literally saw that WSH GM was the only one on discord (my first time on), and I asked him if he wanted to deal, and he said, "which league". The only thing I remembered of him was that he stole Svechnikov from Canes, when I had been trying to forever. From his response, and that Canes trade, I had no fucking clue he was new, so don't instantly go to attack mode plz, thx. 

As a side note, just don't get new GMs then. Make a "non-GM block" and do the trades yourself. 

Wings posted a list of every teams player rated 88 or higher in the discord and said that the new guys probably shouldn’t trade them

[Tampa Bay Lightning GM]

This is probably one of the most fairest trades in sim league history lol

[Washington Capitals GM]

On 2nd thought, after reading this...Washington rejects and pulls out of the deal.

[Tampa Bay Lightning GM]

Jul 23, 2021 6:20:06 GMT -8 Washington Capitals GM said:

On 2nd thought, after reading this...Washington rejects and pulls out of the deal.

You’re actually not allowed to back out of trades once you have accept them. So you’ll have to ask Florida Panthers GM if he’s fine with allowing you to do so

[Ottawa Senators GM]

Reject

[Florida Panthers GM]

Jul 23, 2021 4:55:09 GMT -8 Tampa Bay Lightning GM said:

This is probably one of the most fairest trades in sim league history lol

I friggin love you man lol

[Florida Panthers GM]

Jul 23, 2021 6:33:57 GMT -8 Tampa Bay Lightning GM said:

Jul 23, 2021 6:20:06 GMT -8 Washington Capitals GM said:

On 2nd thought, after reading this...Washington rejects and pulls out of the deal.

You’re actually not allowed to back out of trades once you have accept them. So you’ll have to ask Florida Panthers GM if he’s fine with allowing you to do so

I've been trying to get Svechnikov since the league started, so I'm not gonna allow it

[Florida Panthers GM]

I also don't understand the points issue?
Morrissey had 13 points, Pulock has 8 (likely more hits and blocks tho)

Svechnikov has 24 points, and Necas has 26?

Ages are similar...

I don't understand how Morrissey is destined for a "massive upgrade"

[New Jersey Devils GM]

Jul 23, 2021 10:24:11 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

I also don't understand the points issue?
Morrissey had 13 points, Pulock has 8 (likely more hits and blocks tho)

Svechnikov has 24 points, and Necas has 26?

Ages are similar...

I don't understand how Morrissey is destined for a "massive upgrade"

If Morrissey has a good chunk of hits and blocks then he’ll be upgraded. Bahl from my team is a prime example. Doesn’t get many points but is a hits and block whore and gets upgraded because of it.

[Florida Panthers GM]

Jul 23, 2021 10:25:38 GMT -8 New Jersey Devils GM said:

Jul 23, 2021 10:24:11 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

I also don't understand the points issue?
Morrissey had 13 points, Pulock has 8 (likely more hits and blocks tho)

Svechnikov has 24 points, and Necas has 26?

Ages are similar...

I don't understand how Morrissey is destined for a "massive upgrade"

If Morrissey has a good chunk of hits and blocks then he’ll be upgraded. Bahl from my team is a prime example. Doesn’t get many points but is a hits and block whore and gets upgraded because of it.

How am I supposed to see that? People accusing me of taking advantage of the new guy, whereas the points of his players are no better than mine. 

Pulock was given a +2 last year because of hits hits and blocks

[Washington Capitals GM]

Screw this trade. I've put Florida Panthers GM on blacklist and Svech on untouchable. Florida has no choice but to back down.

[Florida Panthers GM]

Jul 23, 2021 10:30:44 GMT -8 Washington Capitals GM said:

Screw this trade. I've put Florida Panthers GM on blacklist and Svech on untouchable. Florida has no choice but to back down.

We've both already accepted, it's up to the mods discretion... 

Svechnikov is also performing worse then Necas... and I need clarity as to why Morrissey is considered to be doing so well? I feel like I'm missing something lol, but being accused as though I am not?

[Washington Capitals GM]

Jul 23, 2021 10:25:38 GMT -8 New Jersey Devils GM said:

Jul 23, 2021 10:24:11 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

I also don't understand the points issue?
Morrissey had 13 points, Pulock has 8 (likely more hits and blocks tho)

Svechnikov has 24 points, and Necas has 26?

Ages are similar...

I don't understand how Morrissey is destined for a "massive upgrade"

If Morrissey has a good chunk of hits and blocks then he’ll be upgraded. Bahl from my team is a prime example. Doesn’t get many points but is a hits and block whore and gets upgraded because of it.

I'm thinking this is a reject?

[New Jersey Devils GM]

Jul 23, 2021 10:37:29 GMT -8 Washington Capitals GM said:

Jul 23, 2021 10:25:38 GMT -8 New Jersey Devils GM said:

If Morrissey has a good chunk of hits and blocks then he’ll be upgraded. Bahl from my team is a prime example. Doesn’t get many points but is a hits and block whore and gets upgraded because of it.

I'm thinking this is a reject?

Nah I’m not accepting or rejecting because of conflict of interest for me

[Florida Panthers GM]

Jul 23, 2021 10:24:11 GMT -8 Florida Panthers GM said:

I also don't understand the points issue?
Morrissey had 13 points, Pulock has 8 (likely more hits and blocks tho)

Svechnikov has 24 points, and Necas has 26?

Ages are similar...

I don't understand how Morrissey is destined for a "massive upgrade"

On top of this. We don't know what Lutz will get as an upgrade. When I originally had Spencer Knight as a 19 year old, he was considered the best goalie prospect in the NHL. I played him in the minors and he got a +1, is it guaranteed Lutz will get a +3? 

[Detroit Red Wings GM]

Washington Capitals GM the svechnikov for Necas is the only fair part of the deal. If FLA wants svechnikov so much, just ask for a 2nd with necas for svechnikov and see if he takes it. otherwise it's a fair swap and it's more based on preference as in which player you like more.

As there's a good chance both these teams wont make playoffs, next year is far more important. WSH is a new GM and does not understand how upgrades/downgrades work, so to me that is an important part of this trade.

Morrissey is simming unreal with Beaudin on WSH. Points are not everything. If there was no limits to upgrades/downgrades, he would be on pace to get a +8 upgrade to make him 95 OA after this season. If Morrissey were to get 0 stats for the rest of the season, he would still get a +1.

Lutz has been playing the whole year and will most likely get an upgrade of +2-+5 because he gets a bonus for being a teenager in the NHL. Perfetti may not reach the required amount of games played to get any upgrade. He has a chance of a +1 if he does good/overachieves in the last 30+ games.

This is their current point totals,

Necas = 27 points - 45 games
Pulock = 8 points - 45 games
Perfetti = 0 points - 5 games -> WPG had him in AHL for most of the season

Svechnikov = 34 points - 46 games
Morrissey = 16 points - 46 games
Lutz = 6 points - 26 games -> was injured for about 20 games