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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 15, 2021 10:34:49 GMT -8
How TF do we have a bunch of young players and not a single upgrade point!? Couturier goes down 1 overall after taking us to the finals and he's only 27?? Damn we got screwed. Edit: Not blaming DET at all, he's done an incredible job this year. Just feel like we got the short end of the stick especially after making it to the finals Honestly, I don't know how. I checked your team about 5 times and I don't get it either. I'll check it again today because it still seems so weird to me. Upgrades/Downgrades are based off of regular season. Playoffs don't come into play. We don't want any overpaid Fernando Pisani's. |
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Post by LA Kings GM on Mar 15, 2021 11:36:00 GMT -8
Detroit Red Wings GM we already have this as part of the upgrade rules: 79 and lower (max +3) or (max -3) 80-85 (max +3) or (max -3) 86-91 (max +2) or (max -2) 92+ (max +1) or (max -1) The 79 and lower and 80-85 section are currently the exact same. I think I would make 79 and lower +4/-2 as the max, then another for under 69 (+5/-1) (or something like that). Denisenko is probably the most obvious example but I think guys like Arthur Kaliev (32 points as a 69, got +3) get screwed over the most.
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Mar 15, 2021 11:48:46 GMT -8
Why don’t we just abolish upgrades so this headache crap can end lol jk . Wings did a great job simming the season and pumping out upgrades quick. I get that some feel that their players were missed but they’ll happen.
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 15, 2021 11:54:29 GMT -8
Detroit Red Wings GM we already have this as part of the upgrade rules: 79 and lower (max +3) or (max -3) 80-85 (max +3) or (max -3) 86-91 (max +2) or (max -2) 92+ (max +1) or (max -1) The 79 and lower and 80-85 section are currently the exact same. I think I would make 79 and lower +4/-2 as the max, then another for under 69 (+5/-1) (or something like that). Denisenko is probably the most obvious example but I think guys like Arthur Kaliev (32 points as a 69, got +3) get screwed over the most. I don't want guys like Kaliyev playing in the NHL, If he played in the AHL and did good, he could've gotten a +4 or +5. Then the GM could've used APU on him to make him 77 or 78. I know lots will disagree with the lower OA players not getting bigger upgrades but that's what the AHL is for. A season in the AHL for Kaliyev he could've been 75+OA. Let him do good for a yr in AHL and then he's ready to go for the NHL. Players like Denisenko who are 75+ OA and sim well, I don't want the system to hurt them but at the moment they are. I'm discussing changing that right now, this is where we are at and most likely what it will be changed to for next season. 80 to 83/84 can get a +4 75 to 79 can get a +5 20-22 yr olds only - possibly include 19 yr olds. I've already changed the player upgrades for juniors, it may change more going forward but this is where it's at right now. 18 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3,+4) 19 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3) |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on Mar 15, 2021 11:55:26 GMT -8
I understand that, I just get annoyed when people make up dumb reasons. At first it was, "it's not all about points" -- and I showed the high amount of blocks, hits and takeaways Then it was, "he doesn't have as many blocks" -- it was 7 less blocks then guys who got upgrades, but underperformed in every other way Then it was, "I don't look at hits, it's more about points and takeaways" -- and again I'm pointing out that he outperformed in those areas too Now its, "you should've made him an OFD". It's easy to admit that your system is stupid in a situation like this. Come up with a better system then and that doesn't add days to upgrades/downgrades. I don't want everyone sitting around and waiting for over a week. That's fucking insane. Calling something stupid or saying it's broken doesn't help anyone it only makes more problems. Come up with a solution that is plausible and it will be taken into consideration. If your suggestion adds days to stuff, then it will likely not happen. Fleury DID NOT have a high amount of BLKS. He is not getting any upgrades no matter how much you whine about it. Things may change going forward and now if upgrades/downgrades take longer, the league has you to thank for it. Just admit the system is flawed and you shot yourself in the foot with Fleury and that it doesn't make any logical sense that a guy like Walker gets an upgrade but he doesn't. I also did come up with a system that is quicker to do upgrades with lol |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 15, 2021 11:57:22 GMT -8
Come up with a better system then and that doesn't add days to upgrades/downgrades. I don't want everyone sitting around and waiting for over a week. That's fucking insane. Calling something stupid or saying it's broken doesn't help anyone it only makes more problems. Come up with a solution that is plausible and it will be taken into consideration. If your suggestion adds days to stuff, then it will likely not happen. Fleury DID NOT have a high amount of BLKS. He is not getting any upgrades no matter how much you whine about it. Things may change going forward and now if upgrades/downgrades take longer, the league has you to thank for it. Just admit the system is flawed and you shot yourself in the foot with Fleury and that it doesn't make any logical sense that a guy like Walker gets an upgrade but he doesn't. I also did come up with a system that is quicker to do upgrades with lol I never said the system wasn't flawed. I'm willing to change things going forward but the upgrades/downgrades are finished for last season and I'm not re-doing them. Stop being an asshole about it or leave. If you want stuff changed, go about it better than being a dick. |
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Mar 15, 2021 11:57:54 GMT -8
I like grapes.
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on Mar 15, 2021 12:01:56 GMT -8
Just admit the system is flawed and you shot yourself in the foot with Fleury and that it doesn't make any logical sense that a guy like Walker gets an upgrade but he doesn't. I also did come up with a system that is quicker to do upgrades with lol I never said the system wasn't flawed. I'm willing to change things going forward but the upgrades/downgrades are finished for last season and I'm not re-doing them. Stop being an asshole about it or leave. If you want stuff changed, go about it better than being a dick. I literally brought it up and just made arguments each of your statements. Again, you said it wasn't just about points. So I brought up the hits and takeaways. Then you said it was more about blocks. I brought up that he had 7 less blocks. Then you said it's not su much about blocks as it is takeaways and points. I'm being a dick because you're not being consistent in your replies. |
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Post by Cranker8989 on Mar 15, 2021 12:08:33 GMT -8
Hey guys, I'm not sure if you saw that vintage Spezza the other week, but I thought he was going to get a +8.
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 15, 2021 12:14:31 GMT -8
Florida Panthers GM, you need to move on, nothing is getting changed for the upgrades/downgrades that just happened, what is used may be altered going forward, that is under discussion right now. Only ones that will be changed would be if any were missed and people ask me to double check. Fleury was done correctly. He had less BLKs, not sure what you don't understand about that. We could enforce rules and take away draft picks from your team because your roster was not compliant all season long. You were either under the cap floor or had too many players on your roster for the majority of the season. See it's pretty easy to be a dick but some of us try not to cause this is supposed to be for each others enjoyment and people being dicks makes it not. I'll give you a choice, Fleury can have a +1 but you lose your 1st rd pick or Fleury gets nothing and you don't get penalized for roster violations.
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Post by LA Kings GM on Mar 15, 2021 12:15:16 GMT -8
Detroit Red Wings GM we already have this as part of the upgrade rules: 79 and lower (max +3) or (max -3) 80-85 (max +3) or (max -3) 86-91 (max +2) or (max -2) 92+ (max +1) or (max -1) The 79 and lower and 80-85 section are currently the exact same. I think I would make 79 and lower +4/-2 as the max, then another for under 69 (+5/-1) (or something like that). Denisenko is probably the most obvious example but I think guys like Arthur Kaliev (32 points as a 69, got +3) get screwed over the most. I don't want guys like Kaliyev playing in the NHL, If he played in the AHL and did good, he could've gotten a +4 or +5. Then the GM could've used APU on him to make him 77 or 78. I know lots will disagree with the lower OA players not getting bigger upgrades but that's what the AHL is for. A season in the AHL for Kaliyev he could've been 75+OA. Let him do good for a yr in AHL and then he's ready to go for the NHL. Players like Denisenko who are 75+ OA and sim well, I don't want the system to hurt them but at the moment they are. I'm discussing changing that right now, this is where we are at and most likely what it will be changed to for next season. 80 to 83/84 can get a +4 75 to 79 can get a +5 20-22 yr olds only - possibly include 19 yr olds. I've already changed the player upgrades for juniors, it may change more going forward but this is where it's at right now. 18 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3,+4) 19 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3) I would even leave the 80-84 guys as +3, I think thats where the inflation happens and you end up with every team having all 85s on their third lines. I just think when the lower overall guys play and play well they should get a decent boost. I don't really see why playing guys like Kaliev would be a bad thing you're trying to avoid though. Like if I really like a low overall player, I should have the freedom to play him the nhl and get him developed quicker at the expense of maybe winning a few games. I don't think the league is really any worse off if a guy like Kali would be like a 75 now rather than a 72. And he put up points that would be like top 9 on every team, you can't tell me that effects the integrity of a league. If he'd've come in and got like 10 points then sure I can see how you make the argument that he would have developed better in the NHL, but he definitely showed he can make it in the big league, and I don't see anything wrong with that. |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on Mar 15, 2021 12:17:40 GMT -8
Florida Panthers GM , you need to move on, nothing is getting changed for the upgrades/downgrades that just happened, what is used may be altered going forward, that is under discussion right now. Only ones that will be changed would be if any were missed and people ask me to double check. Fleury was done correctly. He had less BLKs, not sure what you don't understand about that. We could enforce rules and take away draft picks from your team because your roster was not compliant all season long. You were either under the cap floor or had too many players on your roster for the majority of the season. See it's pretty easy to be a dick but some of us try not to cause this is supposed to be for each others enjoyment and people being dicks makes it not. I'll give you a choice, Fleury can have a +1 but you lose your 1st rd pick or Fleury gets nothing and you don't get penalized for roster violations. I like your pride  |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 15, 2021 12:19:22 GMT -8
I don't want guys like Kaliyev playing in the NHL, If he played in the AHL and did good, he could've gotten a +4 or +5. Then the GM could've used APU on him to make him 77 or 78. I know lots will disagree with the lower OA players not getting bigger upgrades but that's what the AHL is for. A season in the AHL for Kaliyev he could've been 75+OA. Let him do good for a yr in AHL and then he's ready to go for the NHL. Players like Denisenko who are 75+ OA and sim well, I don't want the system to hurt them but at the moment they are. I'm discussing changing that right now, this is where we are at and most likely what it will be changed to for next season. 80 to 83/84 can get a +4 75 to 79 can get a +5 20-22 yr olds only - possibly include 19 yr olds. I've already changed the player upgrades for juniors, it may change more going forward but this is where it's at right now. 18 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3,+4) 19 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3) I would even leave the 80-84 guys as +3, I think thats where the inflation happens and you end up with every team having all 85s on their third lines. I just think when the lower overall guys play and play well they should get a decent boost. I don't really see why playing guys like Kaliev would be a bad thing you're trying to avoid though. Like if I really like a low overall player, I should have the freedom to play him the nhl and get him developed quicker at the expense of maybe winning a few games. I don't think the league is really any worse off if a guy like Kali would be like a 75 now rather than a 72. And he put up points that would be like top 9 on every team, you can't tell me that effects the integrity of a league. If he'd've come in and got like 10 points then sure I can see how you make the argument that he would have developed better in the NHL, but he definitely showed he can make it in the big league, and I don't see anything wrong with that. 75 to 79 can get a +5 -- This will probably end up as 79 and below, not 75 to 79. 80 to 83/84 can get a +4 -- A +4 would only be given if the player simmed unreal |
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on Mar 15, 2021 14:10:04 GMT -8
Detroit Red Wings GM we already have this as part of the upgrade rules: 79 and lower (max +3) or (max -3) 80-85 (max +3) or (max -3) 86-91 (max +2) or (max -2) 92+ (max +1) or (max -1) The 79 and lower and 80-85 section are currently the exact same. I think I would make 79 and lower +4/-2 as the max, then another for under 69 (+5/-1) (or something like that). Denisenko is probably the most obvious example but I think guys like Arthur Kaliev (32 points as a 69, got +3) get screwed over the most. I don't want guys like Kaliyev playing in the NHL, If he played in the AHL and did good, he could've gotten a +4 or +5. Then the GM could've used APU on him to make him 77 or 78. I know lots will disagree with the lower OA players not getting bigger upgrades but that's what the AHL is for. A season in the AHL for Kaliyev he could've been 75+OA. Let him do good for a yr in AHL and then he's ready to go for the NHL. Players like Denisenko who are 75+ OA and sim well, I don't want the system to hurt them but at the moment they are. I'm discussing changing that right now, this is where we are at and most likely what it will be changed to for next season. 80 to 83/84 can get a +4 75 to 79 can get a +5 20-22 yr olds only - possibly include 19 yr olds. I've already changed the player upgrades for juniors, it may change more going forward but this is where it's at right now. 18 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3,+4) 19 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3) was 19, couldnt play in the AHL (iirc) If he could, im an idiot who cant read, lol |
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Post by Anaheim Ducks GM on Mar 15, 2021 14:12:29 GMT -8
I don't want guys like Kaliyev playing in the NHL, If he played in the AHL and did good, he could've gotten a +4 or +5. Then the GM could've used APU on him to make him 77 or 78. I know lots will disagree with the lower OA players not getting bigger upgrades but that's what the AHL is for. A season in the AHL for Kaliyev he could've been 75+OA. Let him do good for a yr in AHL and then he's ready to go for the NHL. Players like Denisenko who are 75+ OA and sim well, I don't want the system to hurt them but at the moment they are. I'm discussing changing that right now, this is where we are at and most likely what it will be changed to for next season. 80 to 83/84 can get a +4 75 to 79 can get a +5 20-22 yr olds only - possibly include 19 yr olds. I've already changed the player upgrades for juniors, it may change more going forward but this is where it's at right now. 18 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3,+4) 19 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3) was 19, couldnt play in the AHL (iirc) If he could, im an idiot who cant read, lol This isn't hockleague so I'm pretty sure he could |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 15, 2021 14:52:08 GMT -8
I don't want guys like Kaliyev playing in the NHL, If he played in the AHL and did good, he could've gotten a +4 or +5. Then the GM could've used APU on him to make him 77 or 78. I know lots will disagree with the lower OA players not getting bigger upgrades but that's what the AHL is for. A season in the AHL for Kaliyev he could've been 75+OA. Let him do good for a yr in AHL and then he's ready to go for the NHL. Players like Denisenko who are 75+ OA and sim well, I don't want the system to hurt them but at the moment they are. I'm discussing changing that right now, this is where we are at and most likely what it will be changed to for next season. 80 to 83/84 can get a +4 75 to 79 can get a +5 20-22 yr olds only - possibly include 19 yr olds. I've already changed the player upgrades for juniors, it may change more going forward but this is where it's at right now. 18 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3,+4) 19 -- (+2,+2,+2,+2,+3,+3,+3) was 19, couldnt play in the AHL (iirc) If he could, im an idiot who cant read, lol For some reason I was thinking Kaliyev was 20 yrs old. If he was 19, he can’t be in the AHL. Might change that going forward and possibly allow 19 and 18 yr olds in the minors. |
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Post by New York Rangers GM on Mar 15, 2021 17:46:38 GMT -8
not bad
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