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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins GM on Mar 29, 2021 5:58:45 GMT -8
Imo, we should have 3rd - 7th Round Draft Picks because some players that GMs want to trade aren't worth 2nds. For example if I want to trade Zach Aston Reese, he isn't worth a 2nd, he's worth more around a 3rd-5th but because we don't have 3rd - 7ths, we have to get a prospect in return, or add them in bigger trades to even out deals. Personally I'd rather have the late pick and have a chance at a steal/having more prospects in the system. A Con would be that it would take some extra work by our already hard working Admin (P.S. thanks for the hard work Admin  ), but I wouldn't be opposed to just having the 3rd-7th rounds simmed for everyone (that way it's not as time consuming and drafts don't take entire weeks, lol) and we just do rounds 1-2 as a draft like usual. Just my suggestion/thoughts but I'd love to hear from the other GMs/Admin on their thoughts on this topic!! |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on Mar 29, 2021 6:08:47 GMT -8
Not only would the draft take 4x times longer than it already does but it would cause issues for several reasons:
- the simmer has to create each player on the game. To have the 2nd round alone is an insane amount of work for guys that will likely not even play in the NHL
- EA only allows for a certain amount of created players in each NHL game. We wouldn't even be able to make all the players from a single draft
- We have a hard enough time keeping track of rosters and picks with two draft picks.
We use to have picks that were "booster picks" (ie. 3rd round pick = +1 oa to drafted player rating) and that helped balance those types of deals
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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins GM on Mar 29, 2021 6:13:25 GMT -8
Not only would the draft take 4x times longer than it already does but it would cause issues for several reasons: - the simmer has to create each player on the game. To have the 2nd round alone is an insane amount of work for guys that will likely not even play in the NHL - EA only allows for a certain amount of created players in each NHL game. We wouldn't even be able to make all the players from a single draft - We have a hard enough time keeping track of rosters and picks with two draft picks. We use to have picks that were "booster picks" (ie. 3rd round pick = +1 oa to drafted player rating) and that helped balance those types of deals I didn't realize that. I guess it would even harder that what I was envisioning. I guess 3rd-7ths shouldn't be used then, lol. Thanks for the feedback though!! |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on Mar 29, 2021 6:16:24 GMT -8
Not only would the draft take 4x times longer than it already does but it would cause issues for several reasons: - the simmer has to create each player on the game. To have the 2nd round alone is an insane amount of work for guys that will likely not even play in the NHL - EA only allows for a certain amount of created players in each NHL game. We wouldn't even be able to make all the players from a single draft - We have a hard enough time keeping track of rosters and picks with two draft picks. We use to have picks that were "booster picks" (ie. 3rd round pick = +1 oa to drafted player rating) and that helped balance those types of deals I didn't realize that. I guess it would even harder that what I was envisioning. I guess 3rd-7ths shouldn't be used then, lol. Thanks for the feedback though!! Perhaps bringing back booster picks? They helped out a lot with deals. As I recall everyone had a +2 booster and a +1 booster. You could make a 67OA draft pick 70 OA right away. May be too OP for a league like this tho (unless we make every drafted players overall 2-3 OA's less than what they already are) |
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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins GM on Mar 29, 2021 6:22:16 GMT -8
I didn't realize that. I guess it would even harder that what I was envisioning. I guess 3rd-7ths shouldn't be used then, lol. Thanks for the feedback though!! Perhaps bringing back booster picks? They helped out a lot with deals. As I recall everyone had a +2 booster and a +1 booster. You could make a 67OA draft pick 70 OA right away. May be too OP for a league like this tho (unless we make every drafted players overall 2-3 OA's less than what they already are) That seems fun! I wouldn't be opposed to that either. I don't know how many other people would like it (Based off how it sounds I imagine alot of GMs would be in favor of it). Admin would have to do a poll or something but I like the booster picks idea |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on Mar 29, 2021 6:29:36 GMT -8
I didn't realize that. I guess it would even harder that what I was envisioning. I guess 3rd-7ths shouldn't be used then, lol. Thanks for the feedback though!! Perhaps bringing back booster picks? They helped out a lot with deals. As I recall everyone had a +2 booster and a +1 booster. You could make a 67OA draft pick 70 OA right away. May be too OP for a league like this tho (unless we make every drafted players overall 2-3 OA's less than what they already are) Didn't HLS at one point have 3rd - 5th round picks? 3rd was a +2 and 4th and 5th was a +1 each? However, for these i thought you could only use on your first round pick? I feel like i brought this up in the admin chat before, couldn't remember the rationale why we passed. I think its just a lot to manage, and track. |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Mar 29, 2021 6:36:33 GMT -8
I didn't realize that. I guess it would even harder that what I was envisioning. I guess 3rd-7ths shouldn't be used then, lol. Thanks for the feedback though!! Perhaps bringing back booster picks? They helped out a lot with deals. As I recall everyone had a +2 booster and a +1 booster. You could make a 67OA draft pick 70 OA right away. May be too OP for a league like this tho (unless we make every drafted players overall 2-3 OA's less than what they already are) I personally liked this better. I think the 2nd round picks are basically useless lol |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 29, 2021 7:19:15 GMT -8
I didn't realize that. I guess it would even harder that what I was envisioning. I guess 3rd-7ths shouldn't be used then, lol. Thanks for the feedback though!! Perhaps bringing back booster picks? They helped out a lot with deals. As I recall everyone had a +2 booster and a +1 booster. You could make a 67OA draft pick 70 OA right away. May be too OP for a league like this tho (unless we make every drafted players overall 2-3 OA's less than what they already are) This is definitely something we can discuss. Need someone to explain this fully, I wasn't around when this was done and I want to make sure I'm fully understanding what you are talking about and everythigng that goes along with it. Florida Panthers GM , if you can tag me on about a 1/3 into the season, I can bring this up with the other admins and discuss if it's a fit to bring in next season or the season after. I'm just neck deep in rosters right now and making sure they are up to date that I dont have the capacity to look at anything else right now. Maybe have someone start a separate thread discussing the booster pick idea. |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Mar 29, 2021 7:45:35 GMT -8
If this was going to be changed it would have to be now and then get rid of 2024 2nd round. The next 2 drafts would most likely have to have the 2nd round as I’m sure guys have traded picks from those years.
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 29, 2021 7:57:45 GMT -8
If this was going to be changed it would have to be now and then get rid of 2024 2nd round. The next 2 drafts would most likely have to have the 2nd round as I’m sure guys have traded picks from those years. Some teams have already traded 2024 picks, so 2025 would be the most likely it could start. I don't fully understand what the system is, so I can't say if we could possibly start something sooner. |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on Mar 29, 2021 8:35:22 GMT -8
This is from old sites:
In this league we only have 3 draft picks.
- 1st round pick
- 2nd round pick
- 3rd round pick
In the draft there will be 30 players, all with a overall in the 70's and you will use your 2nd and 3rd as attributes. 2nd adds +2 to the overall, 3rd add's +1 to the overall .
The rookies starting overall before adding upgrades will be posted in the Draft HQ.
Example: Brett Connolly 76 PLY RW drafted by Tampa Bay Lightning. I used the 1st pick to draft Connolly . I used the 2nd pick to increase his rating from 76 to 78 . I used the 3rd pick to increase his rating to 79
76+2+1=79
This is the official max upgrade limit for rookies.
1st overall pick: 84
Picks 2-4: 82
Picks 5-10: 80
Picks 11-15: 78
Picks 16-20: 76
Picks 21-25: 74
Pick 26-28: 72
Picks 29-30: 70
We didn't have performance upgrades however, so I imagine this would all be much lower
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on Mar 29, 2021 8:36:50 GMT -8
So essentially, the more boosters you had, the better because you could dip low in the draft for a player you wanted and still make him a quality overall.
Say I wanted Hughes, and took him 2nd overall, I could boost him from 73 to 80 by adding a few 2nd rounders and a 3rd rounder
It was also easier for trades because people would simply trade an 84 OA for an 82 OA + 2nd (making up for the 2 OA difference)
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on Mar 29, 2021 8:39:02 GMT -8
You could essentially add this as well to each roster with the upcoming draft, just don't call them "2nd round pick"
Just make them "+2 Booster (FLA)" and "+1 Booster (FLA)" and these could be used on both 1st and 2nd round players
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on Mar 29, 2021 9:05:09 GMT -8
This is from old sites: In this league we only have 3 draft picks. - 1st round pick - 2nd round pick - 3rd round pick In the draft there will be 30 players, all with a overall in the 70's and you will use your 2nd and 3rd as attributes. 2nd adds +2 to the overall, 3rd add's +1 to the overall . The rookies starting overall before adding upgrades will be posted in the Draft HQ. Example: Brett Connolly 76 PLY RW drafted by Tampa Bay Lightning. I used the 1st pick to draft Connolly . I used the 2nd pick to increase his rating from 76 to 78 . I used the 3rd pick to increase his rating to 79 76+2+1=79 This is the official max upgrade limit for rookies. 1st overall pick: 84 Picks 2-4: 82 Picks 5-10: 80 Picks 11-15: 78 Picks 16-20: 76 Picks 21-25: 74 Pick 26-28: 72 Picks 29-30: 70 We didn't have performance upgrades however, so I imagine this would all be much lower ahhhhhh yes thats how it worked!! This would also extremely speed up a draft. I guess the only Q is how does one fill their AHL squad? Cant remember if there was AHL back then |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Mar 29, 2021 9:30:23 GMT -8
This is from old sites: In this league we only have 3 draft picks. - 1st round pick - 2nd round pick - 3rd round pick In the draft there will be 30 players, all with a overall in the 70's and you will use your 2nd and 3rd as attributes. 2nd adds +2 to the overall, 3rd add's +1 to the overall . The rookies starting overall before adding upgrades will be posted in the Draft HQ. Example: Brett Connolly 76 PLY RW drafted by Tampa Bay Lightning. I used the 1st pick to draft Connolly . I used the 2nd pick to increase his rating from 76 to 78 . I used the 3rd pick to increase his rating to 79 76+2+1=79 This is the official max upgrade limit for rookies. 1st overall pick: 84 Picks 2-4: 82 Picks 5-10: 80 Picks 11-15: 78 Picks 16-20: 76 Picks 21-25: 74 Pick 26-28: 72 Picks 29-30: 70 We didn't have performance upgrades however, so I imagine this would all be much lower ahhhhhh yes thats how it worked!! This would also extremely speed up a draft. I guess the only Q is how does one fill their AHL squad? Cant remember if there was AHL back then No AHL back in the day. Minny from hockleague introduced that to his league and everyone just followed suit I think |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on Mar 29, 2021 10:08:20 GMT -8
ahhhhhh yes thats how it worked!! This would also extremely speed up a draft. I guess the only Q is how does one fill their AHL squad? Cant remember if there was AHL back then No AHL back in the day. Minny from hockleague introduced that to his league and everyone just followed suit I think Thats what i thought. Thats why if we keep AHL only having a 1st round pick would be tough. What if we did something like 2 rounds. Then you have 3rd, 4th and 5th picks. The 3rd is a +2, 4th and 5th +1 each. Anyways im easy |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on Mar 29, 2021 11:05:05 GMT -8
Here's what I would say:
Scrap the AHL -- have players aged 20+ and under 78 OA be upgradable (as they currently are). Max overall for players = 78, max overall for goalies = 80. They don't get upgrades based on performance.
18/19 year olds - Similar to now, they can either play in the NHL or be sent to juniors.
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on Mar 29, 2021 11:28:40 GMT -8
Here's what I would say: Scrap the AHL -- have players aged 20+ and under 78 OA be upgradable (as they currently are). Max overall for players = 78, max overall for goalies = 80. They don't get upgrades based on performance. 18/19 year olds - Similar to now, they can either play in the NHL or be sent to juniors. I guess my question is, where are these 20+ y/o players coming from if there is no 2nd round? I honestly cannot remember what used to be done |
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Post by Bad News Islanders GM on Mar 29, 2021 19:13:13 GMT -8
In what way will this get me Colton Dach?
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), but I wouldn't be opposed to just having the 3rd-7th rounds simmed for everyone (that way it's not as time consuming and drafts don't take entire weeks, lol) and we just do rounds 1-2 as a draft like usual. 
