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Post by Florida Panthers GM on May 9, 2021 18:09:27 GMT -8
Hockleague and this league both have a flaw where 20-22 year old players are absolutely wasted when EA doesn't have them sim well.
Because this league runs on performance upgrades, if they don't perform, they won't be upgraded. But then if they're not upgraded, they won't get any better, and it's a never ending spiral of watching your young prospect's value slowly diminish over time.
I suggest something simple: allow us to MPU 20-22 year olds (that have played as a regular in the NHL) 1 overall for players that DID NOT receive a performance upgraded
This doesn't allow you to put a ton of stock into these young players, but just enough that they perhaps will perform better than the previous year, and allows them to maintain value, even if they don't perform.
**edit: This would only be allowed to occur IF a player doesn't receive a performance upgrade**
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 9, 2021 18:16:40 GMT -8
Shouldn’t the one who runs the league be able to decide how he wants to run HIS league? Asking for a friend.
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on May 9, 2021 18:19:50 GMT -8
Shouldn’t the one who runs the league be able to decide how he wants to run HIS league? Asking for a friend. Sure. But why can't he take suggestions from others? Do GMs in real life work by their own opinions or do they have a team that helps them? What about the President of the United States? I'm sure you wish Trump did all the things that he wanted to do without other people telling him otherwise. What about anyone that has ever run anything ever? People "are in charge" of things, but people who succeed take suggestions from others and filter them. A little free lesson for you there champ |
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Post by Ottawa Senators GM on May 9, 2021 18:20:11 GMT -8
League is perfect. Don’t need more upgrades being thrown around to young guys. They’re already overvalued as it is
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 9, 2021 18:22:06 GMT -8
Shouldn’t the one who runs the league be able to decide how he wants to run HIS league? Asking for a friend. Sure. But why can't he take suggestions from others? Do GMs in real life work by their own opinions or do they have a team that helps them? What about the President of the United States? I'm sure you wish Trump did all the things that he wanted to do without other people telling him otherwise. What about anyone that has ever run anything ever? People "are in charge" of things, but people who succeed take suggestions from others and filter them. A little free lesson for you there champ Oh boy I got a life lesson on a sim site. Man I am soooo lucky. Let the guy run his sim league how he wants. If you don’t like it, go run your own. Simple as that. You are a great GM and have some good ideas now and then but if the admin wants it done his way, it’s his right. |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on May 9, 2021 18:23:48 GMT -8
Sure. But why can't he take suggestions from others? Do GMs in real life work by their own opinions or do they have a team that helps them? What about the President of the United States? I'm sure you wish Trump did all the things that he wanted to do without other people telling him otherwise. What about anyone that has ever run anything ever? People "are in charge" of things, but people who succeed take suggestions from others and filter them. A little free lesson for you there champ Oh boy I got a life lesson on a sim site. Man I am soooo lucky. Let the guy run his sim league how he wants. If you don’t like it, go run your own. Simple as that. You are a great GM and have some good ideas now and then but if the admin wants it done his way, it’s his right. I can throw a suggestion and the admin can shut it down for sure. He told me to make a poll and that's what I'm doing. What's your problem with me making a suggestion? |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 18:27:05 GMT -8
So what if you have an 87 20 y/o who just got a performance upgrade? Now you have bump him to 88? Clarification question
Or is this for if a player 20-22 doesn’t get an upgrade
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 9, 2021 18:27:07 GMT -8
Oh boy I got a life lesson on a sim site. Man I am soooo lucky. Let the guy run his sim league how he wants. If you don’t like it, go run your own. Simple as that. You are a great GM and have some good ideas now and then but if the admin wants it done his way, it’s his right. I can throw a suggestion and the admin can shut it down for sure. He told me to make a poll and that's what I'm doing. What's your problem with me making a suggestion? It’s how you go about it. You make it seem like everyone is attacking you and trying to screw your over. Then you start attacking the site and it’s admins and others who say anything. There’s ways to make suggestions that make people go “hmmm” and ways that make people go “this guys nuts” |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on May 9, 2021 18:34:37 GMT -8
So what if you have an 87 20 y/o who just got a performance upgrade? Now you have bump him to 88? Clarification question Or is this for if a player 20-22 doesn’t get an upgrade Could be up for debate. But I like how Rockem does it. They allow 1 overall upgrade even if they got a performance upgrade |
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Post by Nashville Predators GM on May 9, 2021 18:37:02 GMT -8
These "suggestions" seem to always come up out of a reaction for when you believe one of your players should be valued higher or get a better upgrade than they deserve. Never any other time.
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 18:37:53 GMT -8
So what if you have an 87 20 y/o who just got a performance upgrade? Now you have bump him to 88? Clarification question Or is this for if a player 20-22 doesn’t get an upgrade Could be up for debate. But I like how Rockem does it. They allow 1 overall upgrade even if they got a performance upgrade To be honest didn’t even know that was a rule lol. Anyways, I don’t mind the idea. But, in the spirit of not allowing players to get out of hand, do they get downgraded If they suck? Players that age don’t see downgrades |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on May 9, 2021 18:41:56 GMT -8
Could be up for debate. But I like how Rockem does it. They allow 1 overall upgrade even if they got a performance upgrade To be honest didn’t even know that was a rule lol. Anyways, I don’t mind the idea. But, in the spirit of not allowing players to get out of hand, do they get downgraded If they suck? Players that age don’t see downgrades They can choose what they want with that, I dont care. Or else they turn 25 and get those downgrades |
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 9, 2021 18:54:40 GMT -8
Could be up for debate. But I like how Rockem does it. They allow 1 overall upgrade even if they got a performance upgrade To be honest didn’t even know that was a rule lol. Anyways, I don’t mind the idea. But, in the spirit of not allowing players to get out of hand, do they get downgraded If they suck? Players that age don’t see downgrades Who would decide if a player should be downgraded? We can all upgrade our players with the upgrades we’ve been given, but none of us would say that our player was crap and that he should be downgraded by 2. If it was the admin, that would open a new can of worms and questions as to why they were downgraded and this guy wasn’t downgraded while this guy was etc. |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 18:56:55 GMT -8
To be honest didn’t even know that was a rule lol. Anyways, I don’t mind the idea. But, in the spirit of not allowing players to get out of hand, do they get downgraded If they suck? Players that age don’t see downgrades Who would decide if a player should be downgraded? We can all upgrade our players with the upgrades we’ve been given, but none of us would say that our player was crap and that he should be downgraded by 2. If it was the admin, that would open a new can of worms and questions as to why they were downgraded and this guy wasn’t downgraded while this guy was etc. I’m referring to year end upgrades/downgrades. So let’s say I upgrade Cozens to an 84. And he produces like shit. Because he’s young I think the rule is he likely wouldn’t get a downgrade. But what’s stoppinf me from giving him another MPU the next year to reward his trash performance. Does this make sense? |
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 9, 2021 18:58:27 GMT -8
Who would decide if a player should be downgraded? We can all upgrade our players with the upgrades we’ve been given, but none of us would say that our player was crap and that he should be downgraded by 2. If it was the admin, that would open a new can of worms and questions as to why they were downgraded and this guy wasn’t downgraded while this guy was etc. I’m referring to year end upgrades/downgrades. So let’s say I upgrade Cozens to an 84. And he produces like shit. Because he’s young I think the rule is he likely wouldn’t get a downgrade. But what’s stoppinf me from giving him another MPU the next year to reward his trash performance. Does this make sense? 10/4 |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 19:03:31 GMT -8
I’m referring to year end upgrades/downgrades. So let’s say I upgrade Cozens to an 84. And he produces like shit. Because he’s young I think the rule is he likely wouldn’t get a downgrade. But what’s stoppinf me from giving him another MPU the next year to reward his trash performance. Does this make sense? 10/4 Or here’s another example. Quinn is an 83 at 20 y/0. Gets upgraded in the off season to an 85 I use MPU to get him to 86. Only 21 years old now. Next year has another wild year and upgrades to an 87. I used another MPU to get him to an 88 at 22. Just seems like wild growth. |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 19:05:18 GMT -8
In saying that though if it works in rockem then I’m fine with whatever
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on May 9, 2021 19:14:27 GMT -8
Or here’s another example. Quinn is an 83 at 20 y/0. Gets upgraded in the off season to an 85 I use MPU to get him to 86. Only 21 years old now. Next year has another wild year and upgrades to an 87. I used another MPU to get him to an 88 at 22. Just seems like wild growth. I’d say if he doesn’t get a performance upgrade then you’d be able to mpu him. If he gets a performance upgrade then no mpus allowed |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 19:16:14 GMT -8
Or here’s another example. Quinn is an 83 at 20 y/0. Gets upgraded in the off season to an 85 I use MPU to get him to 86. Only 21 years old now. Next year has another wild year and upgrades to an 87. I used another MPU to get him to an 88 at 22. Just seems like wild growth. I’d say if he doesn’t get a performance upgrade then you’d be able to mpu him. If he gets a performance upgrade then no mpus allowed See I’d much prefer a rule like this. As opposed to anyone 20-22 can get 1OA from MPU. I Haven’t voted but if the rule is along these lines I’m a yes |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on May 9, 2021 19:17:42 GMT -8
Or here’s another example. Quinn is an 83 at 20 y/0. Gets upgraded in the off season to an 85 I use MPU to get him to 86. Only 21 years old now. Next year has another wild year and upgrades to an 87. I used another MPU to get him to an 88 at 22. Just seems like wild growth. I’d say if he doesn’t get a performance upgrade then you’d be able to mpu him. If he gets a performance upgrade then no mpus allowed I like this too. Makes sense. Then at least when he's not upgraded, it takes a hit on your other potential upgrades |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on May 9, 2021 19:17:51 GMT -8
I’d say if he doesn’t get a performance upgrade then you’d be able to mpu him. If he gets a performance upgrade then no mpus allowed See I’d much prefer a rule like this. As opposed to anyone 20-22 can get 1OA from MPU. I Haven’t voted but if the rule is along these lines I’m a yes Ya I’d be fine with something like this but there would obviously have to be a cap cuz say your guy gets only +1 be cheap if another guy gets 0 then you use 6 upgrade points on him |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 19:19:19 GMT -8
See I’d much prefer a rule like this. As opposed to anyone 20-22 can get 1OA from MPU. I Haven’t voted but if the rule is along these lines I’m a yes Ya I’d be fine with something like this but there would obviously have to be a cap cuz say your guy gets only +1 be cheap if another guy gets 0 then you use 6 upgrade points on him Rockem has a max of 1 OA. I think that’s fair across the board. |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on May 9, 2021 19:19:22 GMT -8
See I’d much prefer a rule like this. As opposed to anyone 20-22 can get 1OA from MPU. I Haven’t voted but if the rule is along these lines I’m a yes Ya I’d be fine with something like this but there would obviously have to be a cap cuz say your guy gets only +1 be cheap if another guy gets 0 then you use 6 upgrade points on him It would simply be: If he didn't receive a performance upgrade, you can use your MPUs to boost him 1OA only. |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 19:20:15 GMT -8
Ya I’d be fine with something like this but there would obviously have to be a cap cuz say your guy gets only +1 be cheap if another guy gets 0 then you use 6 upgrade points on him It would simply be: If he didn't receive a performance upgrade, you can use your MPUs to boost him 1OA only. Can u change your post to read this? Then I’ll vote yes |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 19:22:39 GMT -8
It would simply be: If he didn't receive a performance upgrade, you can use your MPUs to boost him 1OA only. Can u change your post to read this? Then I’ll vote yes Solid compromise. Thanks fellas |
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on May 9, 2021 19:32:08 GMT -8
Can u change your post to read this? Then I’ll vote yes Solid compromise. Thanks fellas It makes sense to do it that way. If you MPU him, then he performs well, then he hopefully won't have to have the MPU again |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres GM on May 9, 2021 19:34:03 GMT -8
Solid compromise. Thanks fellas It makes sense to do it that way. If you MPU him, then he performs well, then he hopefully won't have to have the MPU again I 100% agree. I just don’t want to see someone hit a +2 upgrade then another +1 MPU aged 20-22. These kids are good as is |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on May 9, 2021 19:40:12 GMT -8
To me the following 3 things are linked to together
1. contract extensions - PR has to negotiate contracts with 31 teams and guys will always try to slip a cheap contract thru for a top player. I'll use a guy who was just signed as to why I think contract extensions are linked.
C David Gustafsson TWF 81(22) re-signed for 1.25M for 3 yrs. He could get a +3 and be 84 OA after 1 season. The team could use MPU on him and make him 87 OA. Thus having a 87 OA player making 1.25M for 2 yrs. This is not a good thing for the league. The contract extension could've been signed for say 4-6 yrs and it would look even worse.
2. Bonus upgrades for teens - I would prefer to remove this or lower it somehow and in turn change MPU rules. The Bonus upgrades for teens seems like the one item GMs are willing to die for tho. Anytime I've brought this up, people don't want to get rid of it. The upgrades for teens in the NHL is why there is a No MPU use on 20-22 yr olds.
3.MPU age restriction - change to whatever the league wants. I think it should be changed to age 22 from the current age of 23. This would give what I call 2 dead yrs for players that they can only get seasonal performance and not any manual or bonus upgrades. Most are coming off the free/bonus upgrades for Teens anyways. Obviously some are not but majority are.
If MPU system were to change, it would be to one of the following,
1. Allow MPU use on players 19+. Only allow players aged 19-22 to go up +1. Remove or lower NHL bonus for 19 yr olds. Possibly lower the bonus for 18 yr olds playing in the NHL.
2. Allow MPU use on players 20+. Only allow players aged 20-22 to go up +1. Remove or lower NHL bonus for 19 yr olds. Possibly lower the bonus for 18 yr olds playing in the NHL.
3. Allow MPU use on players 21+. Only allow players aged 20-22 to go up +1. Remove or lower NHL bonus for 19 yr olds. Possibly lower the bonus for 18 yr olds playing in the NHL.
4. Lower MPU age to 22 from 23.
5. Age 20-22 allowed to receive a +1 using MPU if they didn't receive a performance upgrade in the previous season.
6. Don't change anything and keep the current system
Current Bonus for Teens in NHL.
18 = +2
19 = (0,1,2)
I also don't think it's a good idea to have 20-24 yr olds be able to get a downgrade, it would actually hurt teams long term. Take Dach for example. He simmed poorly and would've got a -1 if allowed. He then would be a 83 OA. A GM would then be forced to use an MPU, if we allowed a +1 for his age, to get that +1 overall back. Instead of him staying at 84 OA and the GM using MPU for someone else.
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Post by Florida Panthers GM on May 9, 2021 19:49:35 GMT -8
To me the following 3 things are linked to together 1. contract extensions - PR has to negotiate contracts with 31 teams and guys will always try to slip a cheap contract thru for a top player. I'll use a guy who was just signed as to why I think contract extensions are linked. C David Gustafsson TWF 81(22) re-signed for 1.25M for 3 yrs. He could get a +3 and be 84 OA after 1 season. The team could use MPU on him and make him 87 OA. Thus having a 87 OA player making 1.25M for 2 yrs. This is not a good thing for the league. The contract extension could've been signed for say 4-6 yrs and it would look even worse. 2. Bonus upgrades for teens - I would prefer to remove this or lower it somehow and in turn change MPU rules. The Bonus upgrades for teens seems like the one item GMs are willing to die for tho. Anytime I've brought this up, people don't want to get rid of it. The upgrades for teens in the NHL is why there is a No MPU use on 20-22 yr olds. 3.MPU age restriction - change to whatever the league wants. I think it should be changed to age 22 from the current age of 23. This would give what I call 2 dead yrs for players that they can only get seasonal performance and not any manual or bonus upgrades. Most are coming off the free/bonus upgrades for Teens anyways. Obviously some are not but majority are. If MPU system were to change, it would be to one of the following, 1. Allow MPU use on players 19+. Only allow players aged 19-22 to go up +1. Remove or lower NHL bonus for 19 yr olds. Possibly lower the bonus for 18 yr olds playing in the NHL. 2. Allow MPU use on players 20+. Only allow players aged 20-22 to go up +1. Remove or lower NHL bonus for 19 yr olds. Possibly lower the bonus for 18 yr olds playing in the NHL. 3. Allow MPU use on players 21+. Only allow players aged 20-22 to go up +1. Remove or lower NHL bonus for 19 yr olds. Possibly lower the bonus for 18 yr olds playing in the NHL. 4. Lower MPU age to 22 from 23. 5. Age 20-22 allowed to receive a +1 using MPU if they didn't receive a performance upgrade in the previous season. 6. Don't change anything and keep the current system Current Bonus for Teens in NHL. 18 = +2 19 = (0,1,2) I also don't think it's a good idea to have 20-24 yr olds be able to get a downgrade, it would actually hurt teams long term. Take Dach for example. He simmed poorly and would've got a -1 if allowed. He then would be a 83 OA. A GM would then be forced to use an MPU, if we allowed a +1 for his age, to get that +1 overall back. Instead of him staying at 84 OA and the GM using MPU for someone else. I don't understand your first point? We already said that if a player gets performance upgrades and is between 20-22, he can't receive an MPU. This change also isn't drastic in the slightest. We aren't saying you can use the full amount of MPUs on any 20-22 players. We are saying that you can ONLY boost a player 1 overall IF they didn't receive an upgrade. If I took Dach for example. He didn't receive a performance upgrade this season. I can use 2 MPU points on him to make him an 85 (increase of 1 overall). I can't use any more MPU's on him... |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on May 9, 2021 19:58:30 GMT -8
To me the following 3 things are linked to together 1. contract extensions - PR has to negotiate contracts with 31 teams and guys will always try to slip a cheap contract thru for a top player. I'll use a guy who was just signed as to why I think contract extensions are linked. C David Gustafsson TWF 81(22) re-signed for 1.25M for 3 yrs. He could get a +3 and be 84 OA after 1 season. The team could use MPU on him and make him 87 OA. Thus having a 87 OA player making 1.25M for 2 yrs. This is not a good thing for the league. The contract extension could've been signed for say 4-6 yrs and it would look even worse. 2. Bonus upgrades for teens - I would prefer to remove this or lower it somehow and in turn change MPU rules. The Bonus upgrades for teens seems like the one item GMs are willing to die for tho. Anytime I've brought this up, people don't want to get rid of it. The upgrades for teens in the NHL is why there is a No MPU use on 20-22 yr olds. 3.MPU age restriction - change to whatever the league wants. I think it should be changed to age 22 from the current age of 23. This would give what I call 2 dead yrs for players that they can only get seasonal performance and not any manual or bonus upgrades. Most are coming off the free/bonus upgrades for Teens anyways. Obviously some are not but majority are. If MPU system were to change, it would be to one of the following, 1. Allow MPU use on players 19+. Only allow players aged 19-22 to go up +1. Remove or lower NHL bonus for 19 yr olds. Possibly lower the bonus for 18 yr olds playing in the NHL. 2. Allow MPU use on players 20+. Only allow players aged 20-22 to go up +1. Remove or lower NHL bonus for 19 yr olds. Possibly lower the bonus for 18 yr olds playing in the NHL. 3. Allow MPU use on players 21+. Only allow players aged 20-22 to go up +1. Remove or lower NHL bonus for 19 yr olds. Possibly lower the bonus for 18 yr olds playing in the NHL. 4. Lower MPU age to 22 from 23. 5. Age 20-22 allowed to receive a +1 using MPU if they didn't receive a performance upgrade in the previous season. 6. Don't change anything and keep the current system Current Bonus for Teens in NHL. 18 = +2 19 = (0,1,2) I also don't think it's a good idea to have 20-24 yr olds be able to get a downgrade, it would actually hurt teams long term. Take Dach for example. He simmed poorly and would've got a -1 if allowed. He then would be a 83 OA. A GM would then be forced to use an MPU, if we allowed a +1 for his age, to get that +1 overall back. Instead of him staying at 84 OA and the GM using MPU for someone else. I don't understand your first point? We already said that if a player gets performance upgrades and is between 20-22, he can't receive an MPU. This change also isn't drastic in the slightest. We aren't saying you can use the full amount of MPUs on any 20-22 players. We are saying that you can ONLY boost a player 1 overall IF they didn't receive an upgrade. If I took Dach for example. He didn't receive a performance upgrade this season. I can use 2 MPU points on him to make him an 85 (increase of 1 overall). I can't use any more MPU's on him... I listed what I thought were the 3 things that are linked together. And tried to explain why they are linked. When PR is doing contract extensions, MPU use comes into play because once you are able to use MPU on a player, it changes how he should negotiate. It's the reason why when a GM offers a 5-6 yr contract, he will counter with a 2-3 yr contract. If you signed a 22 yr old to long term contract and didn't take MPUs into consideration, it would make a lot of 86-87 OA players on cheap contracts. It throws off the cap each year to. I listed your suggestion and suggestions from other GMs for MPU to put them in all one place. I tried to make it not confusing but it might be. |
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