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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 29, 2021 23:36:04 GMT -8
That’s in my own experience of course, I’m not trying to speak for anyone else. But can you say that Florida’s idea has been SPECIFICALLY responded to? yep, will not change the max APU for goalies only. If APU is changed it will be for all players. It was mentioned in the 3rd post. Shouldn't have to clarify that goalies would be included. All would be changed or none would be changed. Players around 78-81 OA have always been in limbo. It's an OA where GMs need to make a decision on how they want the player to fit into their team. Play in NHL and have them become NHLers or play them in the AHL and potentially turn them into AHL lifers. It also forces teams who tank and have too many young players to trade some of those players. Yeah, maybe your prospect who’s a 78 is in limbo cause you’re not sure if you want to play him on your 4th line. It 100% is not the same with goalies. |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 29, 2021 23:37:47 GMT -8
yep, will not change the max APU for goalies only. If APU is changed it will be for all players. It was mentioned in the 3rd post. Shouldn't have to clarify that goalies would be included. All would be changed or none would be changed. Players around 78-81 OA have always been in limbo. It's an OA where GMs need to make a decision on how they want the player to fit into their team. Play in NHL and have them become NHLers or play them in the AHL and potentially turn them into AHL lifers. It also forces teams who tank and have too many young players to trade those players. Goalies are different than skaters, and that’s a dumb policy. Why not leave it to a vote? Make a poll then. Not sure why anyone would say goalies only. Not sure what's dumb about including goalies + skaters. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 29, 2021 23:41:35 GMT -8
Goalies are different than skaters, and that’s a dumb policy. Why not leave it to a vote? Make a poll then. Not sure why anyone would say goalies only. Not sure what's dumb about including goalies + skaters. For the sake of posterity, you think goalies and skaters should develop the exact same? |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 29, 2021 23:48:14 GMT -8
Make a poll then. Not sure why anyone would say goalies only. Not sure what's dumb about including goalies + skaters. For the sake of posterity, you think goalies and skaters should develop the exact same? no and they don't have the same requirements for performance upgrades/downgrades. Forwards, Defencemen. Goalies are all separated. Forwards can start getting downgrades at age 24 Defence can start getting downgrades at age 25 Goalies can start getting downgrades at age 26 Forwards tend to upgrade the quickest. Defence are more slow and steady upgrades. Goalies actually upgrade easier than defencemen for seasonal performance and more like forwards in how much they change season to season. Goalies just sim odd in the game sometimes. I just don't see any reason to not include skaters for APU. It also makes it more simpler for everyone if all players are allowed APU to 80 OA. Some people still mess up APU and if skaters are not included, I'm willing to bet someone still posts trying to APU their skater past 78 OA. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 29, 2021 23:52:35 GMT -8
For the sake of posterity, you think goalies and skaters should develop the exact same? no and they don't have the same requirements for performance upgrades/downgrades. Forwards, Defencemen. Goalies are all separated. Forwards can start getting downgrades at age 24 Defence can start getting downgrades at age 25 Goalies can start getting downgrades at age 26 Forwards tend to upgrade the quickest. Defence are more slow and steady upgrades. Goalies actually upgrade easier than defencemen for seasonal performance and more like forwards in how much they change season to season. Goalies just sim odd in the game sometimes. I just don't see any reason to not include skaters for APU. It also makes it more simpler for everyone if all players are allowed APU to 80 OA. Some people still mess up APU and if skaters are not included, I'm willing to bet someone still posts trying to APU their skater past 78 OA. Dude you can include skaters in the boost to APU upgrades, that’s not what this is about though. I think it’s fair to say that goalies are more often seasoned in the AHL for longer to get better than say a guy like Hoglander, because he’s a guy on a line, not a guy backstopping your entire fucking team. The idea of goalies being able to progress slightly more than skaters in the minors has merit and being treated like it’s fucking insane is honestly just weird |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 29, 2021 23:53:33 GMT -8
I don’t even have a horse in this race it’s just super shitty how ideas differing from exactly how things are done here are treated
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 29, 2021 23:56:03 GMT -8
Why do you think EA puts goalies in a separate category that always makes you forget to sign them
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:01:28 GMT -8
I don’t even have a horse in this race it’s just super shitty how ideas differing from exactly how things are done here are treated This comment I have a problem with. Only 2 suggestions were shot down right away. You saying something like this because your suggestion was one of them is uncalled for. FLA's suggestion of prospect ratings for upgrades and your suggestion of giving an upgrade with a position switch. Both of these give free upgrades to players and that is not something I want. every other suggestion has been talked about. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:06:44 GMT -8
I don’t even have a horse in this race it’s just super shitty how ideas differing from exactly how things are done here are treated This comment I have a problem with. Only 2 suggestions were shot down right away. You saying something like this because your suggestion was one of them is uncalled for. FLA's suggestion of prospect ratings for upgrades and your suggestion of giving an upgrade with a position switch. Both of these give free upgrades to players and that is not something I want. every other suggestion has been talked about. After discussion I was pretty open about how my idea would be way more work for you when other members commented. Suggesting my opinion now is based on people not liking my idea then is cheap and weird. Honestly, I really agree with Florida but my biggest problem is how suggestions are dealt with here. It’s fucking weird. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:09:59 GMT -8
Every other suggestion hasn’t been talked about, the main idea by the OP was just met with statements of the rules and shit that had nothing to do with his point
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:11:04 GMT -8
This is exactly what I’m talking about, there’s this weird fucking gaslighting about having concerns about the way shit is dealt with here
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:12:05 GMT -8
This comment I have a problem with. Only 2 suggestions were shot down right away. You saying something like this because your suggestion was one of them is uncalled for. FLA's suggestion of prospect ratings for upgrades and your suggestion of giving an upgrade with a position switch. Both of these give free upgrades to players and that is not something I want. every other suggestion has been talked about. After discussion I was pretty open about how my idea would be way more work for you when other members commented. Suggesting my opinion now is based on people not liking my idea then is cheap and weird. Honestly, I really agree with Florida but my biggest problem is how suggestions are dealt with here. It’s fucking weird. Explain to me how it's weird? How would you like discussions handled? Give everyone a better system for suggestions then. Any suggestion that is posted or PM'd to me, I bring up to other admins. I then respond to the person or post. If I'm always looking like the bad guy shooting down suggestions, it honestly doesn't bother me. There are 25+ GMs and I can't please everyone. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:14:52 GMT -8
After discussion I was pretty open about how my idea would be way more work for you when other members commented. Suggesting my opinion now is based on people not liking my idea then is cheap and weird. Honestly, I really agree with Florida but my biggest problem is how suggestions are dealt with here. It’s fucking weird. Explain to me how it's weird? How would you like discussions handled? Give everyone a better system for suggestions then. Any suggestion that is posted or PM'd to me, I bring up to other admins. I then respond to the person or post. If I'm always looking like the bad guy shooting down suggestions, it honestly doesn't bother me. There are 25+ GMs and I can't please everyone. You, and I direct the word “you” towards everyone helping run this site because it’s not all on you, have responded to this and both of my concerns with “not knowing what you’re going on about” instead of actually having a discussion. That’s fucking weird. Every other site gives a shit what members have to say even if the ideas aren’t implemented |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:15:12 GMT -8
Every other suggestion hasn’t been talked about, the main idea by the OP was just met with statements of the rules and shit that had nothing to do with his point I've literally posted multiple times that all players would get included in a change for APU and not just goalies. I understand that you think goalies should be different. For minors I want APU to be the same for all players. There is no reason to separate skaters and goalies for APU. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:17:39 GMT -8
Every other suggestion hasn’t been talked about, the main idea by the OP was just met with statements of the rules and shit that had nothing to do with his point I've literally posted multiple times that all players would get included in a change for APU and not just goalies. I understand that you think goalies should be different. For minors I want APU to be the same for all players. There is no reason to separate skaters and goalies for APU. Okay, tell me why. You haven’t said why they are the same when they obviously aren’t in real life and other than NYI’s example pretty sure they’re not the same here |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:18:36 GMT -8
Explain to me how it's weird? How would you like discussions handled? Give everyone a better system for suggestions then. Any suggestion that is posted or PM'd to me, I bring up to other admins. I then respond to the person or post. If I'm always looking like the bad guy shooting down suggestions, it honestly doesn't bother me. There are 25+ GMs and I can't please everyone. You, and I direct the word “you” towards everyone helping run this site because it’s not all on you, have responded to this and both of my concerns with “not knowing what you’re going on about” instead of actually having a discussion. That’s fucking weird. Every other site gives a shit what members have to say even if the ideas aren’t implemented I dont understand this statement. FLA suggested goalies APU max be changed to 80. I said it would include all players and not just goalies. Which I don't understand why you would be mad about that. Almost all other suggestions have altered things in the league going forward. So I'm not sure where this "doesn't give a shit about it's members" comment is coming from. To me, it seems like you are mad about something and are trying to start shit |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:23:11 GMT -8
You, and I direct the word “you” towards everyone helping run this site because it’s not all on you, have responded to this and both of my concerns with “not knowing what you’re going on about” instead of actually having a discussion. That’s fucking weird. Every other site gives a shit what members have to say even if the ideas aren’t implemented I dont understand this statement. FLA suggested goalies APU max be changed to 80. I said it would include all players and not just goalies. Which I don't understand why you would be mad about that. Almost all other suggestions have altered things in the league going forward. So I'm not sure where this "doesn't give a shit about it's members" comment is coming from. To me, it seems like you are mad about something and are trying to start shit Unless I’m misunderstanding, Florida’s point is that goalies and skaters in the minors shouldn’t have the same development. Which I 100% agree with. I get pissed off with this attitude like it’s crazy to disagree when a group of people on this site have no fucking idea what you guys are talking about |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:28:36 GMT -8
There has been zero attempt at discussing the initial suggestion, it’s literally only been changes a group of people have been talking about that aren’t applicable and scolding people for questioning why the initial question isn’t being answered
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:33:18 GMT -8
I’m feeling like Kruze right now so that’s all I have to say about it but these are concerns you should actually give a shit about. People care about these sites and give a lot to f time to them. Not the amount of time you do, but nobody here is suggesting anything that deserves to be immediately dismissed. It’s honestly a load of bullshit
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:34:17 GMT -8
I dont understand this statement. FLA suggested goalies APU max be changed to 80. I said it would include all players and not just goalies. Which I don't understand why you would be mad about that. Almost all other suggestions have altered things in the league going forward. So I'm not sure where this "doesn't give a shit about it's members" comment is coming from. To me, it seems like you are mad about something and are trying to start shit Unless I’m misunderstanding, Florida’s point is that goalies and skaters in the minors shouldn’t have the same development. Which I 100% agree with. I get pissed off with this attitude like it’s crazy to disagree when a group of people on this site have no fucking idea what you guys are talking about You need to give an actual system for something to change, not just suggest an idea. I will not go looking for a system that only applies to goalies. I already know FLA's suggestion came about because of Knight. Look at Knight's OA and where he'll be after this season. His suggestion directly benefits him next season with Knight. I'm fine with him making suggestions that benefits his team. But I'm going to look at the league as a whole and dicuss changes that can help the whole league and not just one team. I understand FLA's frustration with Knight and that's why we changed 19 yrs old playing in the AHL and slightly altered the upgrades for players listed in juniors. Sucks for his player but it should help fix that kind of problem going forward. |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:37:44 GMT -8
I’m feeling like Kruze right now so that’s all I have to say about it but these are concerns you should actually give a shit about. People care about these sites and give a lot to f time to them. Not the amount of time you do, but nobody here is suggesting anything that deserves to be immediately dismissed. It’s honestly a load of bullshit Again with this type of comment, there is no need for it. nothing is being dismissed. I just looked and there has been 3 suggestions shot down right away. 2 for free upgrades for players and 1 for the time commitment. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:38:21 GMT -8
Unless I’m misunderstanding, Florida’s point is that goalies and skaters in the minors shouldn’t have the same development. Which I 100% agree with. I get pissed off with this attitude like it’s crazy to disagree when a group of people on this site have no fucking idea what you guys are talking about You need to give an actual system for something to change, not just suggest an idea. I will not go looking for a system that only applies to goalies. I already know FLA's suggestion came about because of Knight. Look at Knight's OA and where he'll be after this season. His suggestion directly benefits him next season with Knight. I'm fine with him making suggestions that benefits his team. But I'm going to look at the league as a whole and dicuss changes that can help the whole league and not just one team. I understand FLA's frustration with Knight and that's why we changed 19 yrs old playing in the AHL and slightly altered the upgrades for players listed in juniors. Sucks for his player but it should help fix that kind of problem going forward. But this suggestion does not benefit me at all. And I still agree with it. So it’s not fair to pin FLA with it being self-serving. |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:40:32 GMT -8
You need to give an actual system for something to change, not just suggest an idea. I will not go looking for a system that only applies to goalies. I already know FLA's suggestion came about because of Knight. Look at Knight's OA and where he'll be after this season. His suggestion directly benefits him next season with Knight. I'm fine with him making suggestions that benefits his team. But I'm going to look at the league as a whole and dicuss changes that can help the whole league and not just one team. I understand FLA's frustration with Knight and that's why we changed 19 yrs old playing in the AHL and slightly altered the upgrades for players listed in juniors. Sucks for his player but it should help fix that kind of problem going forward. But this suggestion does not benefit me at all. And I still agree with it. So it’s not fair to pin FLA with it being self-serving. I'm not saying what FLA suggested is bad, this type of suggestion is good and is easy to make a change to. I just want it to include all players and not just goalies. That's the only part I disagree with. Not sure why you are so mad about it. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:40:39 GMT -8
It doesn’t address goalies dude. Teams should be able to develop their goalies beyond 78 in the minors so teams that have worked to fill their prospect pipeline and remain competitive don’t have to play a 78 a bunch of games, especially if they’re in a really competitive division. That’s not how it works in real life so I don’t get why this idea is so pie in the sky here
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:41:44 GMT -8
But this suggestion does not benefit me at all. And I still agree with it. So it’s not fair to pin FLA with it being self-serving. I'm not saying what FLA suggested is bad, this type of suggestion is good and is easy to make a change to. I just want it to include all players and not just goalies. That's the only part I disagree with. Not sure why you are so mad about it. Why can’t it include skaters but also recognize that goalies develop differently? I’m not mad at all I’m just kind of baffled at why this is such a foreign concept |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:42:34 GMT -8
It doesn’t address goalies dude. Teams should be able to develop their goalies beyond 78 in the minors so teams that have worked to fill their prospect pipeline and remain competitive don’t have to play a 78 a bunch of games, especially if they’re in a really competitive division. That’s not how it works in real life so I don’t get why this idea is so pie in the sky here How do we address that then, APU does not address that at all. Give me a plausible system to put in place that can work for goalies that is separate from APU. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:43:26 GMT -8
But this suggestion does not benefit me at all. And I still agree with it. So it’s not fair to pin FLA with it being self-serving. I'm not saying what FLA suggested is bad, this type of suggestion is good and is easy to make a change to. I just want it to include all players and not just goalies. That's the only part I disagree with. Not sure why you are so mad about it. Goalies have to anchor teams when they start. That’s why they get more seasoning in the minors as opposed to a guy who plays on the fourth or at best third line as a call-up with two other capable line mates. I don’t know how else to describe how they aren’t the same |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:44:49 GMT -8
It doesn’t address goalies dude. Teams should be able to develop their goalies beyond 78 in the minors so teams that have worked to fill their prospect pipeline and remain competitive don’t have to play a 78 a bunch of games, especially if they’re in a really competitive division. That’s not how it works in real life so I don’t get why this idea is so pie in the sky here How do we address that then, APU does not address that at all. Give me a plausible system to put in place that can work for goalies that is separate from APU. If you’re going to up APU maximums for skaters to 80? Make it 81 or 82 for goalies and make it more expensive in terms of APU points to surpass 80 for goalies. Pretty simple. |
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Post by Former Canucks GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:45:39 GMT -8
I don’t get how this is seen as like some thing we have to create an entirely new system for. It would be a minor change that is easy to implement.
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Mar 30, 2021 0:46:58 GMT -8
I'm not saying what FLA suggested is bad, this type of suggestion is good and is easy to make a change to. I just want it to include all players and not just goalies. That's the only part I disagree with. Not sure why you are so mad about it. Goalies have to anchor teams when they start. That’s why they get more seasoning in the minors as opposed to a guy who plays on the fourth or at best third line as a call-up with two other capable line mates. I don’t know how else to describe how they aren’t the same I know they are not the same but you are not giving me any solutions to the problem. Even if goalies are the only ones that are allowed to use APU up to 80 OA. you still have the same problem, just that the goalie is now 80 OA and not 78 OA. Only a tanking team is going to have that 80 OA goalie as a starter. Most teams will have them as a backup and slowly bring them along for a season or 2 and then make them the starter. |
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